TBH I’m not really sure what your saying, have I painted a target on my back for calling out safety standards, I was trained to a standard I have to reflect that as it what I believe though training and experience.
Here we are trained to a worst case scenario
You’d think that the very act of going over the side of a tall building with only a rope between you and death would be enough to drive the cleaner to be vigilant about safety and training to the point where accidents were the exception.
With the pictures posted the top picture the user is using the same rope as other pic. Kermantle rope which is standard in US and other countries i believe? Rating at least 5000 lbs but most are 6500 -7000lbs. The harness used gets you by but not recommend due to in a fall situation he has very limited time prior to suspension trauma 5-10 min possibly.
Second picture, even in the US we don’t make our own bosun chairs and chairs that old wouldn’t be allowed especially when made with the same kermantle rope we use to repel. A flat strap should be used by a manufacturer for this application. It is just reckless and shows lack of knowledgable to use a ascender as a rope grab. The two are different as they have different uses. One is to aid in climbing while the other is used for safety.
Every industry in the US has more relaxed safety guidelines than other countries. This for me is a positive, don’t need other authorities stating the way things have to be performed just because a person with lack of common sense did a stupid thing to cause his own death. With common sense, generally most industries in the US are safe but do we really need to regulate everything to the point we can’t think for our self. This is where individual responsibility and common sense comes in.
I guess I dont mind a more relaxed approach on business and personal regulation because i am my own person who is capable of making the right choices in my lifestyle and business.
No there’s not a target on your back, I appreciate your experience and input. I was making a joke saying that to you, id be considered a cowboy, hence the song. Since i dont do things how you would do them. Another thing id like to add to jhans comment is that in that picture he is not wearing a safety vest or helmet, which to me is a big no no. If the wind picks up and pulls you away from the building and you come back and smack your head, you’d be unconscious, and not only that but no one notices because you have no safety vest. Just thought I’d add that also.
I think it’s a great conversation and just because we point out differences shouldn’t meant we are being negative to the people in the discussion. This shouldn’t be a place where people get mad at others for their thoughts, it’s likely due to reading the content isnt always perceived the way it is actually meant.
I greatly enjoy hearing how differently things are done between states and countries.
I have great respect for Steve, his professionalism and his input from where lives and operates.
So for a country where you don’t even need to be certified to do this job , but you need have a manufactured chair, what utter bullshit, ITS A PLACE TO PUT YOUR ASS! This is just how bad you standards are that you need a piece of gear that dosen’t need to meet any standards is the only piece you need to have the “RIGHT” , Its a chair its purpose is to place you ass THATS IT!!!
The problem I see is sooooooo many US high rise guys are not even connected to their working rope the are using their chair as their descent device and they are relying on it 100% which is 100% incorrect and dangerous
The chair isn’t even required its solely for comfort. and as such has ZERO standards applied to it, and I think the guy in the bottom pic who is a level 3 IRATA trained tech with over 20 years of experience, wouldn’t use something that was not allowed.
I was informed that the top pic the guy safety is a 12000lb crabbing line? idk from what I understand they are not a kernmatle rope and are not rated for shock absorbing, therefore if mainline broke he would have to dangle until rescued and don’t forget that the crabbing rope has no stretch if he doesn’t have a shock absorbing lanyard he would likely cause a serious injury if a shock load was to occur.
Until 2008 ascenders were commonly used as rope grabs, I was originally trained as such as used one for 8 years then standards changed as we had to switch to I cant remember what they are called small rope grabby thingy that has like a 6 inch prussiks you hold as you descend via a finger hoop.
Steve, anchors and portable devices in the US have to be certified by engineer every 12 months. Is this the same practice used there?
Can you send a picture of a typical roof top that is suspended from over there? Be cool to see the differences or similarities.
