I weighed scrubbers wet and dry

I had some free time and I didn’t believe a strip washer would hold more water but it does but only because it’s 18 inches long compared to a brush that is 12" long. They are actually the same inch by inch.

The biggest difference is the strip washer can’t scrub worth a crap.:stuck_out_tongue: The Brush is the proper tool for scrubbing 99% of dirty windows not a “Few Select” as Mr Squeegee thinks.

I know what you’re thinking and YES, I do have a lot of free time.:rolleyes:

Dry Brush 11.7oz , Wet Brush 21.65oz = 9.95 oz of water.
Dry applicator 8.30oz , Wet applicator 23.25oz = 14.95oz of water
Dry sponge 1.10z ,Wet sponge 12.8 oz = 11.7 oz of water

Of course that means you don’t have as much solution to put on the windows. I stand by my original statement - for my area the brush is only better on a very select amount of windows. Since I don’t use a bucket it’s not worth the switching back and forth between the 2 as Mark said he will. I think it’s important to note that Mark said the brush won’t replace the strip washer totally in his arsenal either. There’s also one more thing to think about - we clean windows all year and when we have antifreeze in the solution the water temp is well below freezing. If the brush you are using doesn’t have a handle you could end up getting your hands in some very cold water.
I have found a use for the brush - as a way to get a good application of hard water powder.

I’ve been thinking about that, I want to try and get away from the bucket as well, but I still have to be able to scrub the windows properly and you can’t do that with a strip washer.

If we’re talking insides, you don’t want your brush or your strip washer saturated with water. I at least, use a minimal amount of water on inside windows because you can’t have the water running over the ledge and down the wall while you’re squeegeeing. It’s even more important if you’re on a ladder inside and can only work with one arm. Sometimes I’ll just brush the top half of the window if I think there is any chance at all of water running over the ledge, then do the bottom half.
You must be soaking up excess water with something, and probably not a sponge. To make that rag last longer you want also want to use a minimum amount of water on the glass.

Now that Mark has invented a boab for the brush, I can’t see any reason why someone wouldn’t be able to use the spray bottle method with a brush and a shamwow in place of a sponge. It’s so easy to maintain the proper wetness in the brush so you don’t drip and with a spray bottle there would be no difference. You just spray it on the brush or on the window whenever the brush gets a bit too dry you have to do the same thing with the strip washer.

it’s not worth the switching back and forth between the 2 as Mark said he will. I think it’s important to note that Mark said the brush won’t replace the strip washer totally in his arsenal either.

I think he said that he cleaned 600-700 windows with the brush in 3 weeks and only used the strip washer for a couple times for some awkward windows over a balcony. There absolutely a place in the arsenal for a strip washer. And I will remind you that this whole thing started because you defended the 7 step window cleaning method as part of the [I][B][U][SIZE=“4”]normal[/SIZE][/U][/B][/I] window cleaning method. I said it was ridiculous to scrap every window top to bottom as part of the normal window cleaning procedure because risk scratching the window and it takes 3x longer and you should just use a brush because a strip washer cannot scrub a dirty window.

[B] Strip washers are only good for a SELECT few windows, like regularly cleaned commercial windows and when you have no other choice. [/B]

There’s also one more thing to think about - we clean windows all year and when we have antifreeze in the solution the water temp is well below freezing. If the brush you are using doesn’t have a handle you could end up getting your hands in some very cold water.

I live in Winnipeg, coldest city over 600k population in the world, colder then Moscow. We clean windows year round, I don’t do it anymore but I still get stuck with the odd house after a cold snap hits in fall. I’ve cleaned all winter long full time for other companys. You need a pair of Alaska fish mits. I’ve done stage, rope chair, boom truck and residential in temps as low as -30C, and I know you can get cold fingers without, even sometimes with, proper equipment.

BUT…it’s easier to keep your hands dry using brush. We don’t have to wring excess water out with our hands like you have to do with a strip washer. We can just give it a couple flicks.

You keep saying 7 steps when at most it’s 5. When we do a house for the first time it requires the 5 step method. If the house has shotgun fungus it requires the 5 step method. Since that accounts for up to 70% of our work (shotgun fungus is a huge issue here) a brush doesn’t save time. I can’t explain it any simpler than that, Mike. I tried the brush and while it had value in some areas it isn’t the cure all you seem to find it to be.
You said - Strip washers are only good for a SELECT few windows, like regularly cleaned commercial windows and when you have no other choice.
Evidently you ladder almost every window. That’s another thing we do very little of for safety reasons.
And we don’t have to squeeze out the strip washer. I wet it w/ the bottle so I control how wet it is.

This is the exact method I was umm… maligning when you butt in to defend it.

7 step window cleaning method






My mistake. I was thinking about cleaning the glass not the extra steps Woody highlights on his website for the benefit of the customer. Of course the first 2 steps would be ones you probably do as well, yes?
In the long run, Mike it doesn’t matter. You will use the method you’re used to and I’ll use what works for me. I will say I at least gave your method an honest try. I also think you prefer your method because you’ve been unduly worried about razors on glass due to a lack of education on the issues surrounding heat strengthened glass and not encountering things like shotgun fungus in the amounts many of the rest of us do.
I do applaud your passion for what you do.

Of course I do. If I’m cleaning traditionally and I can get a ladder up there, of course I’ll do that. Do you actually use a strip washer on 2nd story residential windows? Yikes! I might be able to get away with that on some commercial jobs but almost never on residential. I wouldn’t even want to, it would take too long and do a crap job.

Water Fed pole… yes. But not strip washer/squeegee.

Yeah, there just some extra verbage there for the customer I guess, it really is a 5 step.

Of course the first 2 steps would be ones you probably do as well, yes?

No, I do step 5 and 6 and 7. I skip the presoak and scrapping (for 99% of windows)

I’ve worked hard to perfect my poling technique so I get great results from using a 5 step method including a razor. I can do this quicker and safer than using a ladder. My first concern on any job is safety. I only use a ladder if it’s absolutely necessary.
We get great results from this method.

Do you mean with a wfp and your reach around razor? if not how do you detail and still make it fast? And then there’s the bottom ledge. I’m always about speed, I find nose to glass then I almost can’t help but have a perfect window… almost without effort actually. Its so natural to me. That’s why I’m hoping the wfp’s do the trick next year, I’d like to skip ladder work too because it’s hard on my leg and dangerous.

Edit: I am going to try dog eared channel with red rubber next year, maybe that will cut down detailing. Even on one story houses I find detailing frustrating at the end of a pole. The trick may be to use a wagtail (which I’ve never had) and a 2nd pole for detailing… just thought of that now. Things that make me go hmmm…

I mean w/ traditional methods. I don’t do it as much now as I used to because the wfp is even faster. Since we use a scrim detailing is quick and easy.

i was using a wagtail flipper for about a year till suddenly my shoulder/wrist got problems so i was forced to change my technique . could be due to the extra weight of the flipper pad or perhaps i just over did it all

so im now using a green wagtail mop followed by a wagtail squeegee . im pretty sure the wagtail mop+water is lighter than a regular mop. in addition i have drilled as many holes as is possible in the aluminium mop channel to further lighten it . the mop itself holds enough water to clean a few windows and i top it up using a spray bottle on my belt.

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PS, got to go clean windows but I’ll throw in my knowledge later…

I think I should define what I mean by a select few windows since it seems to be a sticking point.
On lightly soiled windows the strip washer works just as well as the brush. On moderately soiled windows the brush works better. On heavily soiled windows you need to either scrub much longer w/ the brush or use a razor in combination w/ either the brush or strip washer.
So now since I am either dealing w/ lightly or heavily soiled windows that leaves me w/ a select few windows where a brush alone would be useful.

I would agree with the above statement.

And I would like to add the following:
Brush alone vrs strip washer alone= brush wins

Brush alone vrs strip washer + scraper= strip washer/scraper wins

Brush + scraper vrs strip washer + scraper= tie

As far as what is faster? It comes down to many things, most importantly, who the window cleaner is and what type of debris is on the glass. If a window cleaner unnecessarily uses a scraper on glass then he/she could be wasting time. And in the same way a window cleaner using the brush and scrubbing more than is necessary could be wasting time.

The good thing is we have choice. And in the end one method vrs another doesn’t mean a thing. We’ve learned of different tools to tackle our jobs and just as long as our customers are happy with the results and we are earning to meet our financial goals, everybody wins.

Yeah, what Dange said :slight_smile:

I think Brush is WAY more useful for residential window cleaning by a factor of… I don’t know. Maybe 100x.

There is NO point working through a house with a strip washer when they can’t even scrub a finger print off a window and they are crap on screens as well.

Storm doors… do a storm door with a brush and you’ll leave the strip washer in the truck from then on.

I agree with that completely.:o

I dunno, it just seems like a lot of work to carry your bucket around to wet and re-wet a brush over and over again. With a strip washer and spray bottle you can blast through 4-5 windows before you need to dunk it.

You don’t have to dip your brush every window on the insides. Have you read the thread?

How you going to clean your screens with a strip washer and a spray bottle and no bucket? I clean then right at the window, sometimes if I can I’ll wash them down with the brush before I even take it out of the track.

You might be able to do a perfectly clean screen and a perfectly clean window with a strip washer but how useful is that if you are actually cleaning windows?

I don’t know about you guys but when I’m cleaning windows they are usually dirty.