So, I’d suppose you guys would also hate on someone using a WFP as a USP too…
It might ruffle your feathers that I am anti dish soap, but what I have found during my own experimentation doesn’t lie. Some of my clients only do 1 or 2 cleans a year. I am certainly doing a better job for them over the guy who uses dawn here. There windows have less debris on them 6 month later.
Sorry if it upsets some of you. Wasn’t my intent. But I am not going to stop promoting my value to clients because it might hurt the competition’s feelings.
You seen the picture I posted, that solution has dawn in it. I don’t see flaws with the glass.
It’s when you say I’m a pro and not squeezing a few fast bucks is were you went wrong.
Granted I only been doing this about 6 months now and the only repeats I have for house cleaning was my in-laws house, but the dirt and everything else has come from the fires and the weather and climate up here in the Pacific Northwest. We are all experts and we make our customers happy at the end of the day
we have found in our experimentation NO difference in quality or outcomes between dawn and gg4 though there is an appreciable difference in visibility and slip. it’s all in your head man.
You guys are certainly entitled to your opinions, just like I am. I can see the difference, and so can other people here. If GG had no value, no one would use it and it would not continue to be stocked and sold by suppliers.
If you want to try and BS and say dish soap doesn’t leave a residue, then stop rinsing your dishes. You can also BS your way around the obvious gleam difference of glass cleaned with GG as opposed to dish soap too, if you want. I’m not changing my process, and I don’t think you guys are going to change either.
What is important, is what the end result is for my clients. My glass stays clean longer, and they definitely know that as a VALUE. It’s just anther thing that sets me apart from my competition.
We are going to disagree with what makes you a pro. While a guy that can fan 100 MPH is cool, and definitely shows skills, that isn’t what makes him a pro. Fancy footwork doesn’t make a clean any better. It’s just showmanship. None of my clients are paying to be entertained or for a show. They want clean glass that will stay clean.
Your opinions don’t bother me, neither does the fact that you have opinions. The substance of your arguments are solid, but your presentation lacks.
The whole ‘I’m the pro and anyone that is not doing like me is just an amateur, huckster’ is a bit irritating.
If you look at some of the replies, that seems to be the common theme. Not that you have an opinion differing from others, but that you come off as arrogantly dismissive of others methods. It’s the presentation.
How about you just towel them off then? There is an accurate comparison. How about you just do this with your cups/mugs and your silverware? Experiment and tell me what results you come up with.
Just make sure you use the same amount of soap per gallon.
I can be dismissive, but I’m not arrogant. I don’t tip toe around what I have to say.
I honestly don’t think someone who painted cars professionally, would look at someone who painted cars in their garage with rattle cans, in the same light as themselves. The guy with the rattle cans might be able to make a car look spectacular, but the true end results are not the same.
But what would I know, right? I’m just a guy in the minority that won’t use dish soap.
Whatever. We’re talking windows here, not painting cars. I just tried to offer you a glimpse into how others might be seeing you here. But go ahead and stay who you are. Likely, people will just continue dismissing much of what you have to say. I know I do.
I’m leaving the country for vacation anyways. Haven’t the time for this or the interest really.
Why don’t we all just use pure water and a brush/scrub pad for exteriors, pad/scrub pad and pure water/ alcohol to agitate the dirt and a dry pad to do interior glass…
Then we don’t need to worry about soap…
It’s too bad we couldn’t find some commercial building that had walls of windows and do a squeegee off competition. We would all have the same tools and same set number of windows but you can bring your own soaps (or non soaps) to face off against other window cleaners. That way you can see the results stacked next to each other. @Chris, you could open your shop and do a weekend were window cleaners face off with each other. Know any commercial buildings around your area that would lend itself out? Just an idea
Dawn, vinegar and water. Keep it simple. I wasted my time and money in gg4 and squeegee off in the past and dude, it’s all the same. I am all about speed, slip and cost efficiency and gg4 and squeegee off conflicted with all three when I tried it in the beginning. Sure dawn dries up quicker in hot months so you gotta speed it up a bit but if anything that is a good thing. As far as longevity, storefronts aren’t meant to stay looking amazing for more than a couple weeks, a window cleaner with no work is a broke window cleaner. That’s why it’s called a maintenance to businesses. If you used the best stuff on the market on everything you cleaned you would be very slow and very broke. As far as residential goes, add some rain x into the solution it works wonders. Sounds crazy but it works. Just what I’ve found out. Don’t get caught up in names and trying to be Mr. Hollywood. Your a window cleaner not a Scientist lol as far as your quality, it’s not in the solution you use it’s in the end result of how those windows look when you strap the ladders back on the truck and pull away. It all cleans the same lol
I’ve done tests over the years. 2 window cleaned right next to each other one with dish soap the other with GG
The window cleaned with GG did stay noticeably cleaner longer. You don’t see the results right away. At first they look the same but overtime as dust accumulates the window cleaned with soap appears to hold onto dust and debris quicker than the GG cleaned glass.
With that said…
we sell a ton of GG
if I had a small company I’d likely use GG
in my window cleaning business we bought dish soap 55 gallons at a time every month
It’s the same principle. You are cleaning glass. The end result can vary based on what you do, both in the short term and the long term.
If we were talking store fronts then it won’t matter much since store fronts are maintenance cleans. You are there every 30 days or less. But it’s different for a home that you are only going to clean once or twice a year.
I do find it ironic how you’ve told me I’m dismissive, when you do the same though. Maybe you would have preferred the comparison of drywall joints taped or done without? They look the same the day after, but over the long haul there IS a quality difference,
Maybe you would have preferred the comparison of drywall joints taped or done without? They look the same the day after, but over the long haul there IS a quality difference, 
