I’m just wonder what you guys are using to apply diamond magic? microfiber, steel wool, huck towl, etc? And how much scrubbing are you typically having to do with that product?
Hey [MENTION=37274]Eastwood[/MENTION] from what I have seen, this product is best applied with a huck towel. Its a pretty aggressive stain remover for being a non acid bases, paste. Overall, we have seen a lot of success with Diamond Magic.
Hope this helps.
How much paste are you using? is it like a quarter sized glob per square foot or window?
[MENTION=4]Alex[/MENTION]
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A little does go a long way, kinda like car wax. Start with a quarter size, use a bit more if needed.
What are some of the uses for diamond magic?
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Sounds good that what i was doing. The job I bought this stuff for was a pain. The Diamond magic wouldn’t touch the staining and neither would the one restore, but they lady kept insisting that she wanted me to still treat all the windows just incase it might lighten the staining a little. So my next questions is, with the one restore, how long can i let that sit on the glass before it causes damage?
About 1 minute of dwell time… Don’t let it dry on the glass!!!
Don’t use this product. It WILL scratch the glass. I have tried it on several jobs and it has scratched the glass on more than one occasion. It does work well for removing stains but it has a high potential for scratching. I would save this product for a last resort and tell the customer nothing else has worked effectively but this should do the trick, however it may scratch the glass slightly.
You can’t always see the scratches unless you look at the glass in the sun light at an angle.
Should I always let it sit close to a minute? and is that the point where it can start etching the glass or is it safe as long as i keep it close to a minute?
How are you applying it? from what I’ve been hearing it should be safe.
Since One restore is an acid based cleaner. Glass will need to be sealed after cleaning.
Otherwise the end result will be, glass worse after using…
well that’s about it 
With 100 grit sand paper.
Come on man. Per manufacturers recommendations, using a clean cloth. The product is highly aggressive and it will scratch the glass. It really should not matter what you apply it with, unless you are using an abrasive that will scratch the glass or a variable speed buffer.
Take the warning or leave it. I don’t care what anyone says It will scratch the glass. I have seen it first hand. Do what you want to with the information.
One restore can react with the tin side of the glass. You can test for the tin side using a blue light. If it is the tin side then I would no use One Restore or CC550. I would use a fine high quality polishing compound like the one Dan Fields sells. One restore will no react as quickly with the tin as CC550 will because the acids in it are less aggressive. Anything that will react with the tin I would not use.
I do not recommend using One Restore in this fashion. It is always necessary to thoroughly rinse the product off the glass and the surrounding surfaces. Water does not neutralize the acids but only dilutes it. If you just dilute it without rinsing completely off the surrounding surfaces you are leaving the acids on the those surfaces to continue effecting them. I have asked EaCo Chem about using their product this way and they said not to do it. You must rinse the product off. Same with CC550.
I don’t have experience with this particular product. But I do know from looking at the MSDS that it doesn’t have much diamond powder in the formula. Not surprising because twenty years ago about a tablespoon of pure grey diamond powder cost me fifty bux. This is not to say that DM is not effective. As Alex Lambrinides says a little goes a long way. One method for polishing or superfinishing optical glass surfaces with diamonds involves the use of a special oil loaded with very little polycrystalline diamond. The contact interface between the lapping material and the glass surface is also extremely close with this technique. In fact it isn’t uncommon to use nanodiamond polishing oils at high pressure to attain the best surface. A very common problem with diamond particles around three to five microns is what Whatapane described. I call this problem “abrasion haze”. If you use the wrong technique you can also get it with cerium oxide. If you are working on glass that never sees the sun you’re golden. Otherwise you might be nailed to the wall! There are different techniques to help reduce this problem. The first one involves using a high tech product based on quality superabrasive powders. It is also critical to pay attention to speed, pressure, lapping material, and flatness. Remember we are precision surface engineers.
Henry
I am not in favor of using acids that will chemically attack silicas and silicates. Otherwise silicon based minerals/chemicals. Glass is based on a silica/silicate matrix which is also chemically attacked by the same acids used to remove mineral deposits/hard water spots.
Henry
I wasn’t trying to offend, I do take all the warnings serious, there is just a lot of information on here to pick through. If your not using DM what product are you using for hard water stain removal?
This question is a challenge. I could easily write a book to answer it. And probably should start one. But here is a quick summary. There are two basic types of products that have been created for hard water spot removal (HWSR). The acids and abrasives. Both have limited or great success depending on the chemical nature and severity of the spots. Both can do damage to the glass winning a lawsuit. I have chosen superabrasives above the acids in most but not all cases. This is ONLY because in MOST cases the ONLY acids that will chemically break down the spots are the same ones that will chemically break down the optical surface of the glass. The acids I always avoid are those that chemically react with glass. (which I can show you on video) And the abrasives I always avoid are those that scratch glass.
Henry
One restore is a product i do not use. Never have nor will.
Made this decision btwn here and the Facebook group window cleaners.
Mark tanner,Henry are some of those who influenced that decision…
Study and gain knowledge , Be open to what other’s in the trade have to say.
Learn from other’s mistakes,then you won’t make the same…
Thanks for the input that it will scratch as well !! Good to know…
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