I personally use TSP with a little bit of ecover works well whats everyones steps to cleaning a good window
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I do both together also and I use each one by themselves…They both are excellent ! But Chris is now selling a new soap EBC, and from what I’ve heard it works really great, plus it has even less suds then the ecover which would be nice on a natural sea-sponge ! One of these days I may try it out ! Thought TSP is an excellent soap as is ecover ! Rhode Island eh…
So I have never heard of tsp is that an abbreviation for something or is it a soap that is only sold in certain regions? I just don’t know thank you for clearing this up for me.
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Trisodium phosphate, sold everywhere. You can get it at Home Depot and any decent hardware store.
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Ok so I went and bought some of the tsp. But how do you use it? I have been doing windows for 10 years and never heard of using this stuff. I have also been using gg4 and ecover for about a year know and I don’t know if it’s my water around here but im not overly impressed. I mean it leaves a great shine and all but if you leave anything anything at all it becomes this milky run that’s looks really bad and it don’t show up for
A while. So you can be almost done and I look back and see all these runs on the sides where I know I detailed it but it’s looks bad. I’m just getting frustrated with it. So I’d like to try new stuff see if it does any better. I’m probably going to give that new soap a try also that they have in the WCR store.
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What quantities are you mixing with ecover and gg4?. Have you tried gg3?
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I heard of power wash guys using tsp in their house washes along with the bleach. They say the tsp helps removes dirt and mold from the walls.
I thought the tsp helps etch the surface to remove stubborn dirt? will it not scratch glass?
I mix 1 oz of gg4 for 2 gallons and 3 squirts thru the water from one side of bucket to other if that makes since of ecover. I was using like two caps and it wasnt working so I started adding what I felt is more.
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Ecover and GG4 hands down… Dries clear for me, Ive done my windows at home with my 45degree modded channels and no detailing for an almost perfect result.
Try gg3 maybe? It’s for softer water. That’s what we use, plus ecover. Sounds like the same mix as you, and we don’t have any of the prolems you’re describing.
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TSP is great for: cigarette smoke residue, greasy restaurant windows, residential windows in the kitchen, windows with protein based debris on them which are also low-e so you can’t use a razor on them - i.e. low-e windows with artillery fungus or baked on pollen. Just use a white pad and TSP. TSP also works well for salt encrusted windows, where you almost need an acid but where a strong alkaline will re-slurry the mess.
It has it’s uses. On nearly clean interior windows it’s overkill. On very large windows it doesn’t work as well by itself because it doesn’t emusify and spread as evenly over larger surface areas (adding a little ecover helps). It doesn’t work well on hydrophobic glass. It can give a lot of bleedback when it’s really humid or the window frames themselves lend to bleedback.
You also have to detail the window more with TSP. Dried, it will leave white lines. It is also corrosive to metal. Not usually a problem especially if you mix it at the right ratio. Painters mix it stronger than window cleaners - I’ve seen problems staining metal frames on commercial windows and etching glass from painters.
1 tablespoon per gallon is what I use. You need to use hot or at least warm water to mix it. TSP won’t mix up with cold water. I premix my TSP solution ahead of time and store it in 1 gallon jugs. Don’t mix your TSP stronger than that as it will be too caustic.
I found it dried out my hands
I bought some a while back and put it in my solution box on recommendation from CapCodCleaner
I have needed it once and am glad I had it!
Small investment for when nothing else works
Pax
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I used tsp for the first time today. I was like were have u been all my life. This stuff is awesome on greasy chicken restaurants. I’m a believer cap cod.
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It is a phosphate and the EPA does not like them. For me, it is another tool in the box. I carry a small tupperware container in my chem box. I cut the box up and put it inside the container an a label, and I carry the MSDS in the logbook
The main problem with phosphates is when people pour them down the drain and they end up in streams, lakes etc. Phosphates are fertilizers which will cause algae blooms. I pour my bucket in the nearby bushes at the edge of a property. It will just fertilize that small area - TSP won’t seep very far into the topsoil. The big problem was when phosphates were in all household laundry & dishwasher detergents (which empty down the drain).
People equate TSP with crazy chems like Methyl Ethyl Ketone, but TSP is non-toxic
