[SIZE=“4”][COLOR=“blue”]Professor Jess, Yawl[/COLOR][/SIZE]
Say Jesse,
Hows it going dude, lets hook up again… You should try a little more TSP in a little less water and I bet you’ll get the slip your looking for !
DangerousDange2u
trash the dawn, for some slip put in a couple capfuls of unger liquid into your normal concentrate.
So I have been experimenting. Dave, you have a persona and a mystique about you…even though we’ve never met ;)…and your advice is sage.
I’ve been trying the TSP - 1-2 tablespoons per 3L. Not bad. It works. I like the amount of slip it has and I like that the streaks (sign of a rookie!) are easy to wipe out when dried unlike soapy dawn.
The only downside is that it doesn’t seem to have the “evaporat-ive” powers of dawn or GG4 - water just sits there and dries. Otherwise it just looks like you’re not using soap when the customer walks by and looks at your bucket!
Hey Garret,
Always wipe up any slop left on sills with a natural sea-sponge…Tell the customer yes your using soap that don’t suds, and it’s the best for cleaning windows, cutting grease and dirt !
It don’t matter what a customer thinks, and they should not tell you how to clean a window ! Your the service provider, treat them in such a way that they will trust your service implicitly !
Mystique-Dange
So Dave, now we all know the three most important tools for a window cleaner are water, the sea sponge and scrim. Just curious, on your top ten list does TSP come before or after the tradition squeegee? Haha
Michael,
I would have to say that…Yes the TSP is #4 and my Ettore squeegee is #5…The Ettore won’t slip without the effects of TSP and TSP helps to saturate and cleanse the dirt on the glass for the squeegee to remove it.Without a good cleansing and slipping the Ettore squeegee is only pushing water over dirty or not totally cleansed glass .
The Ettore rubber is #6
#7 would be my much needed sectional ladders, that I’ve been using since day one…I started with the Columbia wood sectionals that came with an adjustable leg.
My 5 gallon tubular bucket comes in at a close #8 with my 18’ swab tied with the bucket at #8… The Garelick pole is #9 and the 1" razor blade is #10. The 12" by 3 1/2" Boar hair brush comes in at #11
Ms.Tucker Pole along with her guy friend Mr.DI are on a different plain and ride the magic carpet in the sky and are numero ono in their realm !
There you go Mike !
DangerousDange2u
P.S.
Sorry for the hijack Erando, just making a side note with Mike !
Dave!
You forgot the steel/bronze wool pad. Nothing scrubs and piece of crusty, filthy glass cleaner than a wool pad. Dange 
So after reading all this I finally tried TSP. And all I can say is:
Dange you are the man!!!
TSP Is absolutely the best for ME! I really like it a lot!!!
The only problem I have is that after using it all day my hands are burning a little bit.
Is that normal?
Is TSP safe for hands and for every day use?
Thanks again Dange. This is the best tip I ever got.
Check this out.
Data Sheets - ICSC1178 - International occupational safety & health information centre
Also note this:
CHEMICAL DANGERS:
The substance decomposes on heating producing toxic and corrosive fumes including phosphorous oxides. The solution in water is a strong base, it reacts violently with acid and is corrosive. Attacks many metals in presence of water.
[COLOR=“red”][SIZE=“5”]… Be safe y’all! ;)[/SIZE][/COLOR]
Hmmmm…
Good stuff to work with, but I guess I stick with GG than
Thanks Woody
Sure no prob. I probably should have posted this before when I did some checking on TSP, but I’m lazy;)
I too considered trying TSP out, but after looking into it I decided not to.
TSP MSDS (Trisodium Phosphate Material Safety Data Sheet :))
The MSDS for TSP is for strong concentrations of the substance. It’s all about dilution ratios guys (humorous yelling)! 2 teaspoons of TSP per gallon of water is not going to pose any kind of health hazard IMO. Soap has lye in it, but won’t eat your skin off.
If you are turned off by TSP, you should check out some of the common ingredients in your everyday cosmetic products: sodium lauryl sulfate, one of the most commonly used poisons in the World, which masquerades as soap, shampoo and toothpaste.
I like the fact that TSP makes detailing a breeze. Wiping it off doesn’t smear like dishsoap. I think it has good glide when you are straight pulling, but I just can’t turn corners with it very well. Additionally, TSP doesn’t stay up on the window as well as dawn. It just doesn’t seem to coat as well. Using it on large pieces of glass, I have a harder time getting an even emuslion - it tends to pull away from the glass in areas and won’t go all the way to the corners. It just seems to not coat the glass as well as dish soap.
Additionally, you have to follow it more precisely when fanning. With dawn, you can loop back over to a dry area and “grab” a little patch you missed, or pull straight across when you have a mini “mountain” in the middle surrounded on either side with a good few inches of dry glass. You can’t do that with TSP.
I really do believe that TSP gets the glass cleaner though. I’m glad Dave is tooting it’s horn because every legitimate product and technique deserves a try. How can you knock it if you haven’t tried it?
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance; that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
– Herbert Spencer
If TSP was an ingredient of a soap, I wouldn’t have too much of a problem with it. But it’s not. It was-- but the government banned it.
As for sodium lauryl sulfate…I did a quick search and looked at the MSDS and it did not state anything about it being a huge health risk or corroding metal like TSP does.
Origins: * Sodium lauryl sulfate (also known as sodium laurel sulfate, or SLS) and its chemical relative, sodium laureth sulfate (i.e., sodium lauryl ether sulfate, or SLES), are substances used in products such as shampoo, toothpaste, and mouth rinses as foaming and cleansing agents, producing the lather and clean hair we all know and love. (SLS, because it is cheaper to produce, is more commonly used than SLES. Sodium lauryl sulfate is an irritant, and a shampoo containing 15% SLS is mainly tolerable only because it comes in contact with the scalp for just a few minutes and is diluted with water while in use. Should you get some in your eyes you’d certainly want to flush it out as soon as possible, and you really don’t want to swallow the stuff. Those are the greatest dangers SLS poses to the average consumer, however. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does require that fluoride toothpastes shipped as of 7 April 1998 carry a warning label about the dangers of swallowing too much toothpaste, and sodium lauryl sulfate is one of the three ingredients (along with sorbitol and fluoride) identified as posing a health risk. Because it causes cancer? No, because it can cause diarrhea.
But all this is beside the point. Paul tried TSP and said it worked great. He also mentioned that his hands were burning after using it and he asked why this was and if it was normal. I answered him because I had information that was relevant to his questions. Not because I have contempt for TSP.
Notice I never disputed that TSP cleans windows. I looked into TSP and I found it not to be safe enough for me to use.
I’m not telling anyone not to use it or that it doesn’t clean windows. But if someone tried to use it on my windows I would not be happy.
If someone told me that Iodine-131 would get my windows squeaky clean, I would say that’s nice but I’ll stick with GG4 and Dawn. Why? Because it’s dangerous…
I’ve done my investigation and the verdict is in-- I’ll pass on the TSP.
Others can use it until their hearts stop beating and their hands fall off. I don’t care one bit. You won’t find me on here telling people not to use TSP.
I’ll give info regarding why someone’s hands are burning after using TSP if they ask though.
Hey Jesse,
I bet that Dawn has better glide than TSP because it probably leaves more residue on the window. Harv at Titan Laboratories told me that glide and residue are directly related. That’s why Glass Gleam has poor glide, he doesn’t want to leave a residue on the glass.
Yeah guys I spoke very too soon.
Yesterday tried TSP for the first time, liked it a lot, no suds, great glide, but man my hands were burning like hell.
I dont know how about you, but I am going back to GG.
Even this morning still have that weird felling in my hands.
Maybe it works for you, but not good for me for sure.
Can someone explain to me why leaving a residue on the glass is bad?
I’ve done my investigation and the verdict is in-- I’ll pass on the TSP.
But, have you tried it?
The government banned phosphates from most cleaners not because of toxicity. Phosphates were banned because they are fertilizers. Phosphates in laundry detergents and dish soaps were going down the drain and entering into the lakes and streams. This fertilized algae blooms thus disrupting the ecosystem. The problem is not phosphates being corrosive to life, the problem was massive amounts of phosphates creating too much life.
I have never had any burning in my hands. I have had my hands a little dried out from using TSP all day. I put a little bag balm on them and they were just fine. I’ve not had any more problems with TSP than with Dawn as far as hand dryness. The only window cleaning ingredient that has bothered me was ammonia. Ammonia is airborne… vaporous and toxic. TSP is neither.
The “contempt prior to investigation” quote wasn’t specifically aimed at you Nate. Differences of opinion are good. Skepticism and questioning help sharpen minds. Larry is a master sharpener 
I don’t expect anyone to agree with me. Having dialogue with differences of opinion is richer than if everyone believed the same thing.
Why must I try it? Must I expose myself to a potentially dangerous chemical in order to qualify my statement that it appears to be too dangerous for my comfort?
Oh and feces is a component of fertilizer too. But you won’t find that in my bucket either;)
If you like using TSP then I’m happy for you man. You won’t hear me trying to tell you shouldn’t use it. We’re all adults here and we can choose to use what we want.
Again, all I did was answer Paul’s question about why his hands were burning. I didn’t tell him TSP was bad and that he should use something else. I just gave him some information and he made up his own mind.
It’s all good Jesse- no worries;)
Oh and feces is a component of fertilizer too. But you won’t find that in my bucket either
You just have to make sure to use the good st and not the bad st
It makes a world of difference… or so I hear.
It’s fine if you are doing storefront where you’ll be back in a couple weeks. For residential you can have your clients windows stay clean longer w/ less residue to contribute to more rapid resoiling.
