Larry,
I doubt it. It seems like a lot of the storms I come across have frames that are really weak and even pulling them out the pane wants to jump ship and run. I’ve had the shivers a few times about storms falling out of my grasp, and not because I’m weak, but because they are framed like a credit card for a Walmart Shopper.
Not to digress much, but Harbor Freight in my opinion has great stuff for the occasional use. I build military armor models for a show hobby and bought my air brush compressor from them. I don’t use it often and it works great. I wouldn’t rely on life saving stuff from them though.
Hey Enrica,
Say this is why you should use a commercial grade suction cup…It really keeps thing in sure fire order ! Plus there are many degrees of storm windows some old and some new…Pella makes a interior storm window , so just being ready for anything coming our way is good S.O.P.
Dange
Phil using one is OK and you can carry it with one hand balancing it , I would prefer the commercial grade suction cup. I’ve done quite a bunch of storm windows and having one with a heavier standard is a much better go round ! You know redundancy in our industry is a must.
Dange
Some good info from you guys. of course i’ll remain stubborn and fixed on my own cheap ways-- but good info none the less! haha
i dont do much residential, as i only started the company out 2 months ago, and have focused on storefront in order to gain a good recurring customer base to last me through the winter…
how ever, in the 3 houses i have done, only 1 house had storm windows; all of which came out inside the house, and were all 2’x3’ and very light weight…
to side track a bit-- anyone know a good way for me to learn/identify window types? i worked for a WC company for only a couple months, and only did storefront, so i never learned residential stuff. I’d like to be able to know the names of each window type for over the phone quotes…
Only 2 months and you only doing store fronts to get you through the winter ? To gain a good recurring customer ?
WELL I think that is pretty, pretty, pretty, smart to establish route work, and yes it will occur every month and generate steady revenue…Good thinking dude you have got yourself on a firm track…Keep going after the route work but also keep trying to fill up with the residential !
Man, pretty slick for a newbie !
DangerousDange2u
No Larry, they broke in different ways but not in the process of taking them off with the suction cups. But I get what you’re saying and agree the cheap suction cups probably aren’t the best to use.
I have one, but I use them to take out the stuck inside Pella windows. In other words, I only use that for Pella windows only.
CR Lawrence has those rebuilt for $45.
Just broke another storm today Against my better judgement I took the job on anyways. I’ve broken 6 windows in 9 years and ALL STORMS.
I’m 100% done with them. Good luck to all of you still doing them. May the force be with you!!
+1000!
In my opinion that was very unsafe. You needed two men on that window. When the window came back up it looked like it might have gotten scratches from the brick but more importantly your leg off the side of the ladder creates a situation where you could fall or the ladder could be pushed to the opposite side. With two guys both those issues are resolved.
The glass did not get scratch Tony," I "did not need two men if I did I would of done that…I don’t and didn’t recommend step on to the ledge but I can do it safely on this house and the video obviously showed there was no problem with it for me, actually all went very smooth, and it was a safe calculated risk ! The ladder didn’t get pushed because I’m an experienced and safe ladder worker ! Both are issue for you but not for me, I pay attention and apply safe processes !! For me its working with the knowledge and muscle memory which is years of accumulation .
This was HIGH end window cleaning, only for those with high end experiences ergo “JOURNEYMEN” . In a situation like this I would be the primary worker and keep the rookie or intermediate out of the way !
Lets put it like this…Do you know how to drive a car ? Yes…Do you know how to drive a race car at 250mph in a full on race ?
Well driving a car as a commuter isn’t the same as driving a high end race car, and doing this kind of work is at the race car driving level, not made for high end inexperienced window cleaners ! If one did they would surely lose the race and may even get killed !
Thanks !
DangerousDange@u / Highly Experienced “Son of Ettore”
P.S.
The lady who walked out the door is a building engineer and contracts work for the city of Seattle ,King County and the state of Washington…She told me she was impressed with the way I brought it down, just a tid bit !
Think I touched a nerve there. I don’t care how long you’ve been doing anything or how much “muscle memory” you have. It is never a wise or safe move to operate that way on a ladder.
I reserve the right to “Like” this post subsequent to viewing the video.
I thought it was a pretty cool video. Thanks for sharing it Dange…
I don’t care how many people you have that is a tough dangerous task. I would think having one person and not a person to drop it on would be safer, but that’s coming from someone who NO LONGER DOES STORMS I wouldn’t volunteer for being under it while raising it up, and I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if it dropped while I had someone underneath. In my opinion I’d do it David’s way before allowing someone to be underneath it.
Guess I’m guilty for taking one foot off the ladder as well. I do it almost every day…
Yo Justin,
Great observation , you know what your looking at Dude. Taking one foot off the ladder is a calculated risk not an over calculated risk unless the ledge was further away or narrower !
I’ve been cleaning for 32 years and I know what is a over calculated dangerous move so like you I will make the move but only when it’s safe. Rookies and limited knowledge / en-experienced intermediates should never make moves they are not acquainted with , they should just stand back and learn what works and what don’t work and learning from one who knows is always the best education !
Thanks for positive remarks my friend your straight shooting pal !
Your friend / Dange
Even race car drivers get injured and killed when they get careless and make mistakes. Safety first. No one is above the laws of gravity and miscalculated errors. Sorry that I can’t agree with your analogy. There are reasons safety procedures and practices were implemented in the first place. Yes, you can get away with it most of the time, but it only takes once sidestepping safety to find out the hard way that it should have been safety first.
I thank the good LORD, we DON’T HAVE storm windows here.
IMO, there a PITA!
I’d rather clean double hung and make the the same amount, if not a whole lot more.