I am just curious. Have heard a bad report on the scratch waiver. What do you all think about the Glass Committee today? The Safety Committee, etc?
Henry
I use that exact waiver. I guess I should be scared.
I just looked over both waivers from the IWCA site. I am very tired right now. But they didn’t look all that bad. Of course I would have a lawyer look over my waiver. And I would not limit it to heat strengthened and tempered glass. Based on my personal experience and recent research. Just my opinion.
Henry
thoughts on the org or the waiver?
I was member nearly a decade ago. Found it pointless, useless and wasteful of money. Think i got a mag to read on the pot.
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That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I was hoping for something more positive. But. It brings me to another question. What features would we like to see in the IWCA that would make us want to join?
Henry
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agreed… if you like to donate money to an organization that caters to highrise guys and certification BS…
An association has value if the members can interact easily and help one another with practical information. Kind of like what we have on this forum?
Henry
I’d join if they formed a task force to help us defend against scratched glass claims. Force the manufacturers to put out a quality product.
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A glazier cuts fits and installs glass, they have nothing to do with the manufacture of glass.
The manufacturers of any products have the right and legal authority to advise proper cleaning techniques for their product, also methods which are not to be used.
Think of this car detailer wants to wash a car with a green scourer. Messes up paint blames ford for not using better paint.
Silly comparison but basically the same premise.
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I meant manufacturers - not sure why I typed glaziers, had them on my mind I guess. Clean your rollers people!
Never gonna happen.
I will leave the persons name out of it, but when I was signing up someone with 20+ years in the industry basically said unless a high-rise guy it’s pointless. Forget his point but there was something legally they did to help high-rise.
Yup, but I thought this was a what if thread…
I think they where big and important before the Internet , they’ll probably be instinct in 10 years
Realistically the glass manufacturers aren’t going to clean up their glass JUST for us. However we are not the only group interested in this issue. As I mentioned in “Glimpse of the Ghost Particle?” there are OTHER groups concerned about glass surface quality. One company that professionally etches flat glass will NOT guarantee their work if the customer wants the tin side etched also. Further the coating companies only want to put their low e coats on the air side. NOT the tin side which they see as quite problematic. Now the coatings industry is a billion dollar industry. This industry certainly DOES care whether or not the air side is on occasion defective just like the tin side. Or have what GANA calls surface inclusions of which there are 50 different types. So. The IWCA is currently involved in spending many dollars and much time in learning precisely what this problem is. I believe from my research that it is already discovered knowledge. But once we get some true scientific documentation from Penn State University this summer we will be much better positioned to force this issue. The Glass Committee of The IWCA has been working on this issue for eight years now. And I personally do want to support these people. Paul West who is the Chair of the Glass Committee asked me to get involved academically. I couldn’t resist. So I looked at what they have been doing and are doing, and did the research. Then I wrote the Ghost Particle articles. Please read the article Paul wrote which I have published in my blog. Also the other article that I wrote. We do need to work together on this.
Thanx so much everyone!
Henry
The IWCA created the ANSI safety standards which have been “borrowed” by the Window Cleaning Resource Association. They are the only ones talking to the the glass industry on your behalf to get you off the hook for scratched glass due to fabrication debris. They have offered 1:1 business mentoring and business documents for decades, to help you reach your operational goals. They are not trying to sell you supplies, or channel your equipment purchases to one particular vendor. On the contrary, they give you coupons and encourage you to tryout a variety of vendors.
Thank you Better. Very positive!
Henry
What’s this now?
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This isn’t really true. The IWCA cobbled together a few documents shortly after TheWCRA launched.
BUT
Don’t get me wrong I think they have a place. Highrise safety, the glass work they are currently doing etc…
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