New to xero pure, and from the unit am using 150’ of 6mm i.d. (just shy of 1/4") into 30 feet of xero pole hose and often the water will barely get passed the end of the brush even at ground level, which makes for crappy rinsing on hydrophobic glass. I’m using the Tucker rinse bar too. To get more water on the glass it seems like I need bigger than 6mm feeding the xero hose? I was looking at the red 3/8" i.d. Goodyear hose but it seems like it would be heavy to drag around at 150’. The yellow hose for xero pure (not xero hose), I believe is 1/4" i.d., is just a tad bigger than my 6mm hose and I don’t know if it would make any difference. I realize I could use a pump but don’t want to complicate things more than needed. Any advice is welcome.
Another question is about the hose that connects the ro to the di. It seems really tiny. Has anyone tried using larger id hose there?
Xero pure owner, checking in.
You need a pump. Especially if you are running a rinse bar.
Yeah, the pitfall of a pump-less system. Adding an inexpensive booster pump may not be ideal but it will give you the pressure you need.
Larger diameter hoses won’t help much?
Increasing to 3/8" from the system right to the pole tubing could help but you’re still a slave to the incoming pressure.
what’s a good pump?
Depends how much you want to spend really and if you want / need to go battery or 110 volt.
The cast iron Wayne pumps are the cheapest but that don’t last very long, we sell them and you can find them and other similar booster pumps at Home Depot or Lowes or another big box store.
Above that you have the RHG caddy. A much more long lasting brass pump and a powerful electric motor.
https://shopwindowcleaningresource.com/rhg-110-volt-booster-pump.html
For battery operation you can get a simple 12v like this one.
https://shopwindowcleaningresource.com/rhg-ro-boost-pump-90psi-5-0gpm.html
For quite a bit more money, RHG did all the plumbing and electrical work and put it on a caddy frame.
https://shopwindowcleaningresource.com/booster-pump-caddy.html
Its all how much you want to spend. If you find you only need a pump occasionally, the cheap Wayne / Wayne style pump is usually the go to.
With the Xero we designed it with the by pass option when you need more pressure. DI only. If you are in a high TDS area this option can be costly. So a booster pump is another option. Here are the best ones we offer https://windowcleaner.com/shop/rhg-110-volt-booster-pump https://windowcleaner.com/shop/rhg-booster-pump-caddy
As for larger hose from the RO to DI that will not increase your water flow. There is a flow restricter on the DI outlet to make sure the water dwells in the DI proper. A larger inside diameter from the Xero Pure to the pole hose would help water flow. This one should work and is not very heavy. https://windowcleaner.com/shop/tucker-blue-hose-with-brass-male-and-female-fittings-3-8-inch
Another option that works great is to use a tank based delivery system. A 35-50 gallon tank with this delivery system works perfect. https://windowcleaner.com/shop/rhg-delivery-kit-with-remote
I would use a pump in a Box, it is easy to use. When you need pressure simply connect to it. Runs on a battery can run up to 4-10 hours depending on battery size
It’s simple, send me an email
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I second the pump in a box that @anon46335951 is referring to. I actually used one today that he sent to me and it has made a world of difference on some of my jobs.
Check with Jeff on instructions to build. His is perfect, in my opinion.
I have 200’ 3/8” on my IPC Eagle and works great. When I switched to the zero hose to try to make it lighter, nope didn’t work well at all, lost pressure. Switched back to 3/8” and not looking back.
Is it tubing or hose?
Isnt it like 3/16 id, if so it isnt meant to replace supply hose, is it?
Would think it is best for pole hose.
I would recommend a 1/4" hose
I found out that IPC recommendation is the 3/8” that’s what initially came with the machine. That was 7-8 years ago, that’s why recently I thought I would switch out hoses but was wierd it didn’t work, now I have 100’ of xero hose. I might try some 1/4”, that’s what my buddy told me, just didn’t want to buy then not work. Thanks for suggesting that, for sure.
I have been having problems with the Xero hose as well. I am running just DI tanks, with 250’ of Xero hose. Coming out of the DI tank is like a fire hydrant, by the time it gets to the brush the flow stinks. I normally run 4 jets because I personally like a lot of rinse and flow. I am thinking that I need to just run a pump as a normal set up unless someone else has a better suggestion.
Thanks
Joe
I would think that just running on water pressure alone small size tubing like that it’s too much work to push through by the time it exits you don’t have much pressure lefy.
Any chance you have on hand 1/4 ID hosr to try? Be a bummer to buy some and get same results.
I do I have my old hose, that was 200" 1/4 id air hose. I can just compare the two. It just surprises me with the good reviews the Xero has gotten. Maybe it is mainly being used on pump systems or shorter lengths. My situation may just not be the best for it.
Water flow is directly proportionate to the interior diameter and length of hose. Want more flow? Use thicker or shorter hose. I recommend using either 1/2” or 1/4” ID hose till the last 50-75 ft of wfp hose. 250 ft of wfp hose is way too long for the average system.
It really has nothing to do with the brand of wfp hose.
There is a difference between supply hose and pole hose.
When choosing a hose things to think about are system pressure, intended purpose, flow desired, length flex, feel and temperature.
