Just a creep...!

The Garage Training
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WE ALL HAVE ISSUES WITH HOW WE DO THINGS THIS IS ONE WAY TO RESOLUTE THEM ! PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH MY DISCOURSE…! TANK YOU[SIZE=“4”][/SIZE]

[COLOR=“#ff8c00”][SIZE=“4”][/SIZE][/COLOR]TECHNIQUES FOR LADDERS…
Only throwing out a ladder application Yawl…

So your doing fully extended 40’ ladder work where a [SIZE=“1”]TUCKER POLE[/SIZE], won’t work, an office building where every bay of windows has a screen that must come out !

So then the top floor has a run of windows on one side of the building with 30 bays of window all in the same configuration, each bay 2’ apart.

The Question; How are you going to move your ladder…?

Stand it back straight up and not lowering it, then lift it and carry it 3 to 4 feet ?

Do you it stand back then lower it and then pick it up and carry it 3 to 4 feet ?

When you walk a tall fully extended ladder you can run into a problem or two, dropping it or injuring your self . Not to say that well a seasoned cleaner doesn’t know how to do this ( because he should) nor that he shouldn’t do it. The situation dictates the process to be utilized !

OR;
Sanding it back lowering it and walking it to the next window is time consuming, but if your new to the game this may be the easier way !

[COLOR=“#ff8c00”][SIZE=“3”] MY ANSWER IS ; YOU JUST CREEP IT ![/SIZE][/COLOR]

Now you ladder is fully extended against the building, you bounce the top of the ladder toward you while your standing to the side of the ladder with one foot on the foot of the ladder (a safety technique) and the other foot behind you for leverage ! All the while holding the extension rope (a safety technique).

Next after moving the top of the ladder and it is back against the building, the ladder is at an angle towards you, you continue holding the rope, lift the bottom while the top is still against the building and walk the bottom straight back all the while with the top resting against the building (being aware of any obstacles or foot degrader behind you, a safety technique) . Once you bring the bottom straight with the top again set the ladder down ! You’ve just made just one CREEP, the process should be fluid and all in one movement.

The building is holding the weight of the ladder and not you , your being a technician not a bull ! This helps save your back, helps moves the ladder quicker without lowering it, helps the job to be much safer !

Now sometimes you may need to make 2 creeps to get the ladder in position to clean the window. BUT ALWAYS BE SURE YOUR LADDER SET IS STABLE !!! Your life depends on it Yawl !

I hope my description of the CREEP helps you with ladder work. Ladder work will always be part of the window cleaners tools and processes. Suffice TO SAY I DID NOT DESIGN THIS TECHNIQUE, I learn this @ " THE SCHOOL OF ETTORE " and my teacher was " THE SON OF ETTORE "

Ladder work is highly DANGEROUS ergo why I carry the name ! I hope yawl are safe and always thinking through your dangerous processes ! May the had of God protect YOU ALL !

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY AND PROFITABLE NEW YEAR !! :smiley:

THE DANGER IS / DANGEROUS DAVE

[SIZE=“5”][FONT=“Century Gothic”]UPDATE TO MY THREAD; JUST A CREEP…[/FONT][/SIZE]Here’s a video on how to creep

//youtu.be/ezoNsVjM6DM

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I never knew there was a name for that… thanks.

Incidentally, I use pretty much the same technique, only in reverse.
I move the bottom first, and then ‘pull’ the top.

Do people really lower the ladder to move it?
For me; once the ladder is up, it stays up until the wall is finished.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, Dange! :slight_smile:

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[COLOR=“purple”][SIZE=“3”]YO J-STER…[/SIZE][/COLOR]
J-man I have no doudt about you using this technique because it is an established fact … THAT YOU MY FRIEND ARE A [SIZE=“4”][COLOR=“purple”]" SON OF ETTORE "[/COLOR][/SIZE], with boocoo experience and knowledge in this industry !

M-Xmas / H-NY back @ you friend !

Dave The Dangerous

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I’m a retard when it comes to picturing something when reading or hearing it, but if you post a video, that would really be cool. You don’t really have to unless you want to! I’m like you and JD, I like to keep it up once it’s up. Some years back I spent about 4 hours straight with a 40 footer and I think I was bulling it more than I had to.
Here’s a safety story: We were using a bucket lift at a resort a few years back and the maintenance guy told us he was up about 60’ on a 3?section ladder once and had 2 guys pick him up and move him as he pushed against the building. That’s crazy!

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[SIZE=“4”][COLOR=“purple”]HELLO DANNY-MAN…[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Yeah… I don’t have a video camera, my daughter drop it and broke it. I’d post some pictures but I still can’t figure out how to do that on this forum…I figured out how to put on vids but I’m still working on the picture aspect !

That story you relayed show guys making life ending " CUT THE CORNER TECHNIQUES ".
Crazy is something that we can all be MY FRIEND… But this is absolute stupid ! Safety in our industry is an absolute must ! Without it we’ll touch base with the pavement !

DAN the MAN, be safe MY FRIEND and a MERRY Xtmas to you and a Happy New year !
God Bless !

YOUR FRIEND THE RANGER DANGER

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I Like to say to all here on this forum, PLEASE BE SAFE, THINK SAFE , SAFETY IS ALWAYS FIRST…

ALSO I"D LIKE TO SAY…[B][COLOR=“red”]MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YAWL ![/COLOR][/B]

MAY THE HAND OF GOD WATCH OVER YAWL !!

DAVID

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I’ve been known to “improvise” in my younger days. Some of the tools/equipment just weren’t readily available like they are today… but that’s just stupid.
It doesn’t save any time, or effort… just climb down like a normal human being.

I used a 60 for one job. It sucked. The only good thing about it was when I got down to the lower windows, my 40 felt light as a feather. :smiley:

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I’ve only used my 40-footer on one occasion – a 3-story commercial CCU – but moved the bottom first. Pretty heavy with a stabilizer up top. I had to lower it to move around an obstacle (stairwell) on the one side.

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Thanks for the heads up, Dangerous! I snipped a bit of your most excellent post for brevity.
Back at ya with the seasons greetings!
vic

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I’m the kind of person that believes in “do what you gotta do”. but use common sense and think before you do it.
some ladders are damn heavy. and warrant lowering some if not all the way though.

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Howdy Mr. Vic-ster…

Happy holidays to you and your family also…

Thanks for the good words it’s much appreciated Friend ! Like I already posted here I don’t have a video camera or I would do some sort of vid, oh well. Again thanks for you friendship and positive input ! Be safe…

Dave-ster Dange-ster

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Surely a WC’er with 31 years experience knows someone with a video camera or phone who is able to assist!

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something tells me you want to see some kind of fail going on lol.
tell me I’m wrong.

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I often refrain from posting about ‘how I do it’ because I’m not able to explain well…

I understand exactly what he’s saying, but sometimes “words get in the way.” :smiley:
I’ll see if I can somehow, do some sort of video…

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Of course he does, but his name is not Surely! :wink:

J from Detroit, thank you for trying to do the video. I know what you mean about sometimes words get in the way.
Happens to me all the time. I’m a fairly good writer, but I’m terrible at public speaking! And put a camera in front of me, it’s over.

Dangerous Dave had some good points, and if it were put in a video, it could be a good training tool.
vic

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You’re wrong.

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[B][COLOR="#a0522d"][SIZE=“4”]OK THEN…[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

I need to expand on this thread a bit…

This ladder technique in an ADVANCED process for those who have experience with ladder work ! It is a higher level in ladder movement with taller ladders, A JOURNEYMEN
PROCESS ergo " SON OF ETTORE MOVEMENT " .[COLOR=“purple”][SIZE=“3”][B] IT IS DANGEROUS ![/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[COLOR="#a0522d"]{To explain advanced is a simple description,if you’ve never done this your not ADVANCED at this.

Sure it’s only moving ladders, a no brainer…"just like driving a car no biggy I know how to drive A CAR [B][COLOR=“black”][SIZE=“3”]![/SIZE][/COLOR][/B] HAVE YOU EVER STEPPED INTO A RAIL CAR ON THE DRAG STRIP OR ANOTHER TYPE OF DRAG RACE CAR ? Well if you haven’t then just knowing how to drive won’t cut it !

More then likely you’ll never get it rolling and if you did you’d probably kill yourself and or others around you}[/COLOR]

Cleaners with limited experience with production should avoid this process until they gather the experience and muscle memory with this high level dangerous ladder movement !!! It doesn’t take much to lose control of a ladder especially a 40’r or even a 32’r, or for that matter any ladder !

It don’t take much to learn, it is suggested that you have a Journeymen show you if your a rookie…If your an experienced ladder worker but haven’t done this before both you and the rookie should try to do this with lighter ladders eg 20’r, 28’r or a 4-section piece ladder.

It’s all about experience, about muscle memory,time spent ! This takes time and effort also as THE-RACER said -THINKING IT THROUGH- !

Again I wish I could post a video but I can’t at this point in time but thanks for the suggestion MR.Larry [COLOR=“purple”]“Tell you what, you can send me a pm and I’ll give you a place to send me a top of the line video camera and I’ll load this forum up with a lot of this sort of stuff”! TANK YOU… [/COLOR]

REMEMBER YAWL, THINK SAFE, WORK SAFE, BE SAFE. Right MR. INnOUT… Your going through some tough times Brother and I feel your pain because I’ve had a serious accident happen to me ! Like you said even when your being safe a freak accident can happen when we’re in a DANGEROUS AND PRECARIOUS SITUATION !

Your young and I hope you body mends so you can get back to normal ! I believe that it was the providence of God that saved you that day " THREE STORIES " . I know of a young guy with a young family who tumbled off an 8’ step ladder and broke his neck and DIED !

BACK AT YAWL …GO WITH IT !

DANGEROUS DAVE / ONE OF MANY [B]“SON OF ETTORE” ![/B]

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Thanks Dange

My body is healing much faster than I thought it would though I am still very weak. I lost about 40lbs in the hospital. good news this week though. doctors said the fusion is taking and I don’t have to wear the brace any more. Also I am walking with just a cane now.
For all of you guys that are new to ladder work and working at heights. this is an inherently dangerous biz even for those of us with many years of experience. myself I’ve been working with ladders a d on roofs for about 20 years and I still had a serious accident. someone else said to think it through. I couldn’t have said it better and don’t go cheap or short yourself on safety equipment. or training.

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That the way I used to do it too.
I also on a 28 ladder would stand on the top and move it to the
next window with me on the ladder.
One time I moved it so much one way I was over 9 feet from where I
started. It was not easy to get down.Did not do that any more.
We sometimes just water fed though the screens and give them a good discount.
You can do this after you clean them once with the ladder.
Try it on a bottom windows and you will be sub-prize how well in comes out.
Phil
simpolewindowcleaning

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J-ster,

I pull the ladder toward me and leave the base planted because it gives me much better control and balance over the extended ladder. With the top towards me the weight of the ladder is better centered and my foot on the foot and my hands on the rail of the ladder are the center of gravity !

Try to visualize it… the ladder tipped toward me…the top of the rail furthest from is now even with the ladder foot nearest to me…and with my hands on that rail right in front of me make me and the ladder one… The weight is going straight down to the foot and with me right below it I have better control over the length and weight of the ladder ! At this point you just lift the bottom up and pull it towards you with all the weight on the building

Now if you bring the bottom over first then the weight of the ladder will be falling away from you ! When you go to move the top towards you all the weight of the ladder is away from you…Doing it this way can work but there is more of a struggle with the weight because the weight is working against you. Where when the top is toward you the weight is working for you.

Another way of putting it, it’s all about weight and balance ergo it’s all about physics ! A very simple process but understanding weight and balance is a must !

Can you visualize that J-friend,If your way works for you, yow-za! But I’m a minimalist !

I can take a fully extended 40’r, standing straight up freely on both feet with me holding it, then pull it towards me with all the weight going straight down into the foot closet to me, balance it that way and be able to hold it there with only one index finger pointed straight out into it !

When I go to carry it fully extended that’s the angle I start with. Once leaning it towards me and having it perfectly balance, I have one hand above me on the rail balancing it, at this point all the weight is going straight down into the foot …with one hand above me on the rail I put another hand on the rung thats even with my hips …I then squat about two or three inches when doing this, and with all one movement
(leaning, balancing, grabbing and squatting) I lift the ladder bout 2’ off the ground by straightening my legs and now all the the weight is directed into my upper hand down my arm into my shoulders into my lower hand and down my spine,into my hips through my leg and out my feet into the ground perfectly balanced .

In other word for those who have worked out with weights before it’s called a press! If you hold the weights or barbell out away from you while you lift it you’ll never get it above your head . So when you do a barbell press (100 # or so) from the ground to over your head,you do a simi squat then lift the barbell straight up along your body straight over your head all in in one fluid movement throwing one of your legs behind you for balance .

Once the barbell is over you head the weight is going straight down your arms through your spine and down your legs and you could hold it there indefinitely, but if you moved it past your head in front of you,oh say about about 15" the center of gravity is no longer through your body ! You won’t be able to hold it that way for very long only moments !

Now back to the lifted ladder… I look up at the top and that helps me to keep it balanced and I walk with it to where I need it 10’, 20’, around a corner, what ever I need to do.

Mind you this sort of process is highly advanced and not suited for one without the experience and know how…Journeymen-esq status. Learn through smaller and lighter ladders !

Well J-ster that’s the reason for my process you should try it I bet you’ll see the benefits my Brother in arms.

Your Friend Dange in this Dangerous Industry