what is your absolute favourite make and model?
specify if you use it stock or frankensteined and if frankensteined how?.
which ones have you tried?
don’t like any/di you try modding them??
i am going to buy some soon, the only one i have tried so far is homemade.
what is your absolute favourite make and model?
Havent found one I like yet
ok but which have you tied and why don’t you like 'em?
Both have issues that im not willing to fuss with anymore.
When we have the tried and true tools that work very well with out the frustrations.
With tools do you use as your standard?
Wagtail you can’t go wrong with a swivel that is very well made and not cheap.
have you got a favorite wagtail, i see you got the precision glide one pass, have you got a combi? which wagtail is your fav?
Yes I have them all now.
Just depends… id go with a slim line mod or an excelerator with a standard channel mod…
Currently rocking a liquidator channel/fliq on a wagtail slimline and wagtail slimline channel with fliq in a excelorator handle.
Im to lazy for all that chaos!
The title of this thread seems to indicate that there are many options available. There are not. Wagtail’s patent ensured that for many years it was the only game in town, albeit with what appeared to be new models and “refinements/improvements” every six months or so. Moerman released the Excelerator a couple of months ago and that is only other company to have a genuine free pivoting squeegee.
Wagtail have essentially only 2 types (publicly available) both with the same principle of a single point pivot. They have their wide-bodied channel (standard channel with a fin to attach a pad to…or not), handle bolted either directly to the fin or a modded slimline disc pop riveted to the extrusion, and a handle on or under disc model that takes a standard slimline channel, albeit optimised for Wagtails own Aluminium channels. Pad can be attached to it with various, in my opinion, half arsed and messy methods. Prior to Liquidator I used exclusively, heavily modded Orbital 16" and 14" Wags (the finned model) . 16" was my pole go to and the 14" was what I used in hand. When liquidator was released I resurrected my PC Slimline (handle on top of the disc) and modified it to suit Liquidator Channels. When Willie released his slimline clip system for his pads it then became the perfect pole and in hand Pivot/Pad tool. Although I now use Excelerator exclusively I have no issue with Wagtail Tools.
The Excelerator came about because of Bob’s relationship with Moerman and his desire to have a pivoting squeegee with all the improvements that DIY guys and Users had been implementing or having on their wish list for years, pestering Willie, to no avail for these improvements/mods to be considered on next generation models.
I currently prefer using on a daily basis my Excelerator and Liquidator channels. Perfect? No, but an evolutionary improvement over even my heavily tweaked Wagtails. Love the angle change, the very fast direct pivot, the superior pad retention clip system and the comfortable and ergonomically superior bi-component grip. I like less, the heavier pad for use in hand, in fact I prefer using it as a bare squeegee in hand. On pole I had to adapt to over the top pad, as thats how it’s been designed to be most efficient. As stated on other threads there is a small challenge with closing out (to the bottom) on commercial box frames. I know these very minor issues are being addressed by the manufacturer. This is refreshing to know that a company listens to end users concerns and is pro active in addressing them.
Moving from Unger Zero degree and Ettore Brass in 2012 to Wagtail PC I shaved 30% in time off my major commercial contracts. Now that I have adapted my workflow to the Liquidator Channels and Excelerator handle I have improved that by a further 15% due mainly to greatly reduced detailing but also to the improved ergonomics of the Excelerator.
So, the gates are now open. Wagtail held the pivot exclusively for a number of years. Moerman are the new kids on the block with, in my opinion, a fine effort, which will continue to be improved. Who’s next? I think competition is good. Keeps everyone on their toes and ultimately benefits us, the end user.
Good post! Well worded and thoughtout.
thanks to all replyees (it’s a word) so far. it’s not just about wagtail vs moerman though.
is the wagtail top mount handle really different from the bottom mount, is the combi any good, what about the precision glide?
what are the pro’s and cons of these different models?
The pivot on the top is very smooth almost effortless.
The prescison glide you have to concentrate a little more on the right angle at first. But in that hot day I’m sure I’ll see the value in it. As it’s squeegee the water off it goes right back on the pad so it’s always gliding. Brilliant.Imo
Yes it is about Wagtail or Moerman. They are the only two that produce single point free pivoting squeegees. What you mean is… in what appears to be a minefield of different models what is the best Wagtail? I said in my post you have only two to choose from Combi/Orbital or any other .001 upgrades names that were dragged out of a hat. This denotes the models that have the wide channel plus fin extrusion. See my post above… The other style is the Simline style. Handle bolted to disc with jaws optimised for Wagtail Aluminium Squeegee channels. Originally produced with handle bolted under the disc. In 2012 Willie added a collet and cap to tidy the same handle up and bolted it to the top of the disc and called it the “Pivot Control”. Handle under is easier to ‘cut your teeth on’. The PC is accurate and you have to be pedantic with your technique to get the most out of them. In my opinion the Collet raises the handle too high and that’s the reason its a little harder to master. I’ve modded the hell out of mine, flattened the handle to 25 degrees and by shaping and shaving and binning the collet i’ve given mine a more direct and positive pivot…
The Precision Glide is simply a Pivot Control with ‘detailing clips’ that were, in my opinion, a knee jerk reaction to the Liquidator BUT the slip pad which creates a fluid trap is genius. He had been experimenting with this idea for some time. I had a play with an early prototype and the thinking is sound. Some people are calling it a one pass but I personally think the advantage with it is the ability to continue moistening the glass and blading at the same time BUT use it in conjunction with a scrubber in the other hand.
Whew. After that long winded lead up. IMO only This is the order I rate the standard unmodded Wagtail Squeegees with flipper pads… 1. 14" & 16" Combi with handle bolted directly on channel… 2. Slimline (handle mounted under disc) 3. Pivot Control (handle on top of disc). Even though I’ve actually had a play with a Precision Glide and liked the concept I felt the whole thing is a little clunky… If you are keen on one of the slimline’s the most cost effective way to buy one would be to buy a Pivot Control, go to a local hardware store and buy a slightly shorter M5 bolt and you can then experiment with handle on top or handle under…
Interesting. I have a slimline that I don’t use that much. Maybe should try that combo.
I have a slimeline flipper and an excelerator. I like them both. I find the wagtail easier to use. I have a hard time closing out on the side with the execelerator…that pad is both a blessing and a curse to me. It gives superior scrubbing power and holds a ton of water which would would increase your productivity on bigger jobs, but with the extra bulk, if it is not sitting just right, it gets in my way, where as the thin wagtail pad will crumple up and still allow the channel to get to the frame at close out. Love the adjustable angle feature of the excelerator, and the liquidator channel has always worked great for me. My wagtail channel is dog eared and works well, but I am not one who wants to buy a tool and then spend time modifying it.
Those who call the Moerman a “copy” could not be more wrong. It’s not. Yes, it pivots, but the similarity ends there. They listened to what window cleaners wanted and created this tool. If wagtails are your thing, then I understand completely…as I said, I have one and really like it. If this is a copy, then every other squeegee other than Ettore is a “cheap knock-off” or imitation.