Ok, who missed this part?
Peddle it to the IWCA.
The IWCCI certification for years required (for my classification anyway) 1200 hours of logged time before you could take the first test, then wait two months, and take the final round at their location. After 8 years or so, they recently dropped the 1200 hour requirement. Would you like to see that part reinstated? Thanks in advance.
Technically there is about 50% less ads and ad space than the old design. By the end of the upcoming week there should be even less. One of them is just a place holder for a “feature”
Of Course we Saw it Thad, at the end of the Day Chris Asked a Question. Should we all just stop discussing now because your pointing this out?
IWCA incase you didnt know has some of the best safety for highrise and customer do hire IWCA contractors because of them. There are other issues with the org that we do not need to talk about. good volinteers trying to better the industry. I was a founding member back in the day, prior to entering the business I will assume.
IWCA is the choice for contractors that use these as marketing weapons. This is why you will not see them pro here for WCRA of anyone else to do this.
Second when you loose commercial bids be sure why, because you might not have the credentials. Some states adopt discounts for credited use of safety through OHsa training and other forms of continuing credits and the contractors your up agaist use this in saving the client money with liabilty insurance. Its done in the grease industry and the annual savings can often pay the maint.
Silly little pieces of paper and Ongoing training. ( Not Networking Events)
So does the above Statement by Chris mean the topics Dead as Thad points out?
Such a Shame people will de-rail good things for folks because of personal issues.
These are the types of things that hold the industry back.
IWCA for certs all the way if you want to be noticed in the commercial world in the future I guess. Its coming down the road reguardless… accidents happen and liabiltys need reduced. Propoerty owners and manangers will higher these people with papers because its reduces there liabilty. ( PERIOD)
Ron,
I would agree with your point for high rise, but I have never been asked even for a workers comp certificate on lower commercial. Residential is a mixed bag. Half the time when people ask for certain credentials on a residential they don’t even know what they are asking for. Half the time when I am asked they are asking me for the wrong thing.
The problem I have also with certification for the industry coming from WCRA is that then do we all have to become a member of WCRA to get certified? Or better yet in order to not look like it’s exclusive but rather inclusive make it available for everyone but charge non members more as another incentive to join WCRA. Or wait even better, since that might **** some people off lets say the rate for everyone is the standard rate but give the WCRA members a discount. Perfect! If you want certification then get it but don’t demand the industry require it of every window cleaner when its not necessary other than High Rise.
What material do you feel needs to be in a certification program for residential or lower commercial that would deem it necessary anyways, WCRA or not?
It’s not a personal issue, Ron.
You know that I like you personally and that we have a helluva time when we hang out (maybe too much fun, but I digress) but this is business, not personal.
IWCCI, OSHA, etc. are real certifications recognized outside our industry. I can teach a housewash or window cleaning or building wash course and “certify” my CUSTOMERS who pay me for the course but who would care besides me and the guys I sold a $500 sticker?
I’m all for certifications from actual authorities, all against bs “certs” from guys in it for a buck. I’m not singling you out, there’s a few around peddling the same crap.
There are steps WCRA could take for its members to have these be legit.
I guess no sense in attempting to explain you have to start someplace. Completion of training is a start.
Please do not take offense, they will never ask you.
At the time of the submission your not telling them these things and they are not going to ask unless its in the RFP.
Its like if you don’t get a job because you have long hair, they are going to ask you to cut it.
I can tell you that I have been told affiliations with certain industry org helped. Of course they solely did not base there choices on that alone.
Material !!!
The main thing is there would be choices for contractors if others are in the game.
Often what happens is people that monopolize these throughout time get things in place for a select few.
Many city’s require a cert to work on interior Kec. Of course this is pw.
Window cleaning is not as prevalent as fire protection systems. How ever the cwa can come into play in city’s.
The window cleaning world should have a stake in this incase city regulators get stupid. The only way to be heard is be organized. Training will be a part of that.
Ron, you make pretty good money selling these “certifications” and classes at your NCE events. That’s fine, no problem with that. It may be beneficial for some.
Seems like you’re attempting to create a new market for yourself with expanding into certified window cleaning. That’s fine too, just leave the WCRA out of it.
Yeah we make loads of money to help the Children and Animals, I donate 100% to charity to raise the Awareness of our industry.
You see Micah I have spent 1000’s promoting the industry for everyone. No I’m not a saint, I’m just paying back what was given to me.
See you missed that part of NCE.
The Orgs have traveled free to these events and never got charged a penny from NCE in four years including WCRA has been invited for free. ( WCR Not)
We have never Charged IWCA, WCRA, PWNA, Ikeca, CETA or any other cleaning org Regardless of there status.
I suppose you should have done your homework.
At the last Tampa Event we Raised nearly $8000.00 for children. We bought a Wish with the help of the cleaning Industry.
The WCRA isn’t involved in any certification Yet, if they decided we would not have anything to do with it anyway. NCE does not hold the Certifications these orgs do.
Leave WCRA out of it, brother I’m a member like you are. Stop with your rude remarks “leave it alone” like as if I have the Plague.
I started Window Cleaning in College, my Bio is on the Web. I likely clean more windows than most Window Cleaning Companies as its standard in my sidewalk cleaning service.
Micah, please try to refrain from the Leave WCRA out of this remarks. I enjoy coming here and not dealing with Drama. I’m a proud member of what Chris has done here and I will not BS you I would like to see him advance further. WCRA not my company…
You & Thad are Thread KILLERS!!!
LOL
A simple questions was asked, you and Thad seem a bit jumpy to me. More concerned about killing advancement rather than expanding it. I call it like I see it, so do the others here see this?
Besides Chris Said WCRA isn’t going to do it as thad Pointed out. Unless you have some reason why WCRA shouldn’t be involved in training I would say stop attacking my company personally for my own thoughts.
I’ll give you and Thad the break here, this is Phil Kircher, he has 30 Plus years in RFP writing for a Company that makes yes over 200 billion annually.
We had the pleasure of him training people teaching them how to procure contracts.
One of his number one suggestions are development of Standards with in our industry.
We cant do this without a strong trade associations, if WCRA is not advancing I guess perhaps I may be wasting time also.
Maybe I should actually thank you
I would like to state, for the record, that I love animals and (most) children.
And certifications.
Thats good!!!
Its all for the Children
( mostly his OWN)
I am more talking about material for low commercial and residential window cleaning. I understand that in pressure washing you are dealing with waste water which there is a great need for certification and regulation. I appreciate all you have done in this field. But I don’t do much pressure washing. My main service is window cleaning. Because a lot of guys only do window cleaning, specifically low commercial and residential there needs to be a valid safety concern that takes special training to address in order for there to be a reason to make a certification an industry standard. So my question to you is in your mind what would such a certification course cover for specifically low commercial and residential window cleaning? And where do you see a safety concern for these areas of the industry specifically that would necessitate certification and or regulation?
Even the workers comp insurance industry recognizes the huge difference in safety risk between high rise and lower commercial and residential. The workers comp industry which is state regulated,puts out low rates for lower commercial and residential showing that there is not a large safety risk at all for these services and would not necessitate any certification regulations.
Again I am only talking window cleaning. For me I would tend to think that when we ourselves as an industry begin to make it look like there is a concern by instituting unnecessary certifications and regulations. I remember when you did not have to dump your own tray at a fast food restaurant. It was the norm to leave your tray at the table and the staff would pick it up. Then people started thinking they would be nice and dump the tray themselves. then it became rude not to dump your tray. Now its the standard to dump your tray and its culturally wrong not to. A simple illustration but that’s how things work. Some over zealous person starts declaring something to be wrong and a few people buy into it and before you know its now a crime, when nothing was broke to start with. Some guy just wanted attention and recognition.
It sounds like he is talking about government contracts not private business.
Please understand that in some city’s window cleaners do work with waste water as ridiculous as it has gotten people have and are putting stupid un needed things in place. This is exactly why and org with a contractors concerns should be involved in awareness.
I don’t see residential advancing much in the future.
In many ways wcra is a bulletin for the industry, they just don’t have and end user awareness attached.
I’m look every person here reads educated themselves daily.
We actually have it, I guess it’s just not formal.
Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
Ron, I applaud your wanting to help us out and improve our industry. I have a few questions that maybe you can help me out with. The problem that I see is as follows.
- What does a marketing group have any business introducing a certification process to window cleaners?
- Are Chris and Alex going to be the ones teaching the classes? Are you? Who would?
- How is the certification going to be enforcable?
- What benefit is it going to be to 99% of the residential window cleaners, whose clients could care less about anything but clean windows?
- How would you justify the cost of such certification?
I have seen some really great improvements in our industry over the years, and while I think that in the future, certification for all window cleaners may become a reality, I just dont think that it will happen in our lifetime. I think requiring window cleaners to be certified is too broad for all the different markets that we cover. Certifications to me, being a small business and doing 4 storys or lower, is a huge waste of money and time. No Dice my man.
[COLOR=“red”]Reply: You may think that, its your right as a member and american , my passion for advancement in this industry won’t stop. Hope I win that bet in your lifetime and you can buy me a beer. or coffee[/COLOR]
expert at Government contracts in the cleaning industry, possibly the best known. I’m lucky to have him as a friend.
Ron again my question to you is in your mind what would such a certification course cover for specifically low commercial and residential window cleaning? And where do you see a safety concern for these areas of the industry specifically that would necessitate certification and or regulation?
